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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Drudge</title>
		<link>http://www.talesofmu.com/story/book0x/457/comment-page-1#comment-2362</link>
		<dc:creator>Drudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can go weeks between updates. In general I&#039;ve worried enough about AE&#039;s health it&#039;s sort of become sort of boring. You can only worry about someone being seriously injured so many times before it starts piling up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can go weeks between updates. In general I&#8217;ve worried enough about AE&#8217;s health it&#8217;s sort of become sort of boring. You can only worry about someone being seriously injured so many times before it starts piling up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter, blog, everything. I was considering starting to worry earlier today, and may proceed with that plan. Although I just realized. . .someone&#039;s approving comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter, blog, everything. I was considering starting to worry earlier today, and may proceed with that plan. Although I just realized. . .someone&#8217;s approving comments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Rethic</title>
		<link>http://www.talesofmu.com/story/book0x/457/comment-page-1#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator>Rethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, although I&#039;m really wondering what happened in MD that has cause her not to update her twitter in 9 days.... I hope everything is ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, although I&#8217;m really wondering what happened in MD that has cause her not to update her twitter in 9 days&#8230;. I hope everything is ok.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Havartna</title>
		<link>http://www.talesofmu.com/story/book0x/457/comment-page-1#comment-2359</link>
		<dc:creator>Havartna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m starting to wonder if Alexandra is OK. It&#039;s been a long time between updates before, but usually we see some Twitter activity or a blog post. I&#039;m hopeful that I&#039;m just being paranoid (wouldn&#039;t be the first time) but our lady appears to have fallen off the grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to wonder if Alexandra is OK. It&#8217;s been a long time between updates before, but usually we see some Twitter activity or a blog post. I&#8217;m hopeful that I&#8217;m just being paranoid (wouldn&#8217;t be the first time) but our lady appears to have fallen off the grid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Erianaiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erianaiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Mackenzie has been trained for the past 9 years to immediately and completely cave in in the face of self assured authority. And her brainwashing started before as a child she had gotten very far with expressing her own wants and self interest. (at 9 years children are not totally passive but they are not exactly assertive either).

So it should not be that much of a surprise that every time somebody steps up to her and starts giving her orders and generally acting dominant Mackenzie has not the slightest idea what to do. Simply because she missed out 9 years of growing up where children gradually work out such things.
And it makes perfect sense that she is contrary and argumentative only with minor issues, because those are exactly the ones that nobody is expressing any position of authority over. Her outbursts are signs of a much belated emotional puberty. She is acting childish and immature much of the time because her emotional development pretty much got frozen by her grandmother somewhere between the age of 9 and 14.

Any excitement in the story has to come, for the foreseeable future, from the zany antics of Steff and Sooni, and any other secondary figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Mackenzie has been trained for the past 9 years to immediately and completely cave in in the face of self assured authority. And her brainwashing started before as a child she had gotten very far with expressing her own wants and self interest. (at 9 years children are not totally passive but they are not exactly assertive either).</p>
<p>So it should not be that much of a surprise that every time somebody steps up to her and starts giving her orders and generally acting dominant Mackenzie has not the slightest idea what to do. Simply because she missed out 9 years of growing up where children gradually work out such things.<br />
And it makes perfect sense that she is contrary and argumentative only with minor issues, because those are exactly the ones that nobody is expressing any position of authority over. Her outbursts are signs of a much belated emotional puberty. She is acting childish and immature much of the time because her emotional development pretty much got frozen by her grandmother somewhere between the age of 9 and 14.</p>
<p>Any excitement in the story has to come, for the foreseeable future, from the zany antics of Steff and Sooni, and any other secondary figure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Mechazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mechazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That might be a bad example, though.
Everyone I know who read the Chronicles LOATHED Thomas Covenant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might be a bad example, though.<br />
Everyone I know who read the Chronicles LOATHED Thomas Covenant</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Mechazar</title>
		<link>http://www.talesofmu.com/story/book0x/457/comment-page-1#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Mechazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much my opinion also. We can&#039;t help but look at this from the years that we&#039;ve spent waiting for updates. 457 chapters = 5 weeks of school. If this were looking at my school then there&#039;d be another 1000-odd chapters until the semester break. There&#039;s the unfortunate clash between story time and IRL time. In the years I&#039;ve read this I quit university, started at a polytech, and now I&#039;m months away from becoming a Probation Officer. In that same time Mackenzie has learned to think before speaking. Sometimes.
Things have happened. And they&#039;ve been exciting! But I&#039;m not sure I want to spend another year waiting for her presentation on the LaBelles and 2 years for the mid-semester break where Mackenzie finally faces down Iona and learns to decisively beat Gloria. And then to have the Next Big Challenge formula start afresh.
And yes, this has turned into a rant. And yes I&#039;ve suddenly realised that I have entitlement issues and that I could just stop reading... but in the beginning the pace was fast, and I was excited to read about the next magic class or the latest insight into Mack&#039;s behaviour, and now I&#039;m just wondering what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much my opinion also. We can&#8217;t help but look at this from the years that we&#8217;ve spent waiting for updates. 457 chapters = 5 weeks of school. If this were looking at my school then there&#8217;d be another 1000-odd chapters until the semester break. There&#8217;s the unfortunate clash between story time and IRL time. In the years I&#8217;ve read this I quit university, started at a polytech, and now I&#8217;m months away from becoming a Probation Officer. In that same time Mackenzie has learned to think before speaking. Sometimes.<br />
Things have happened. And they&#8217;ve been exciting! But I&#8217;m not sure I want to spend another year waiting for her presentation on the LaBelles and 2 years for the mid-semester break where Mackenzie finally faces down Iona and learns to decisively beat Gloria. And then to have the Next Big Challenge formula start afresh.<br />
And yes, this has turned into a rant. And yes I&#8217;ve suddenly realised that I have entitlement issues and that I could just stop reading&#8230; but in the beginning the pace was fast, and I was excited to read about the next magic class or the latest insight into Mack&#8217;s behaviour, and now I&#8217;m just wondering what happened.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by Drudge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Centuries in MU pace is Milennia in our world given the way we&#039;re progressing. We don&#039;t have that kind of time. 

Again, not expecting Mackenzie to become some sort of one liner spouting two dimensional anti hero. I do however expect that after two and a half years of reading, we have some development that has any effect on anyone&#039;s daily life more than once every trilogies worth of text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Centuries in MU pace is Milennia in our world given the way we&#8217;re progressing. We don&#8217;t have that kind of time. </p>
<p>Again, not expecting Mackenzie to become some sort of one liner spouting two dimensional anti hero. I do however expect that after two and a half years of reading, we have some development that has any effect on anyone&#8217;s daily life more than once every trilogies worth of text.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by EvilToast</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilToast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, all true. Mack turning into a badass would be fun for about 5 minutes, but wouldn’t really make sense in context with the story. I guess the point I was trying to make was that by Mack holding true to her slow but steady development, there is little room for excitement (don’t mistake this with tension and build up, this story has plenty of that), and any relationship/character interactions can feel repetitive after a while.

I love parts of this story, the world setting, races, history and characters are all very unique and make the story worthwhile on their own. But as you said, any true control and development would take Mack years if she develops at her current rate. Which would mean it’s never likely to be written given this series pacing. 

All we can really hope for from Mack is instant reactions to immediate threats, which may cause her to reach out of her repressed state. And given the amount of opposition Mack faces already (mermaids, Mack daddy, Mercy etc) I’m sure further opportunities for &#039;my description of interesting&#039; lie ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, all true. Mack turning into a badass would be fun for about 5 minutes, but wouldn’t really make sense in context with the story. I guess the point I was trying to make was that by Mack holding true to her slow but steady development, there is little room for excitement (don’t mistake this with tension and build up, this story has plenty of that), and any relationship/character interactions can feel repetitive after a while.</p>
<p>I love parts of this story, the world setting, races, history and characters are all very unique and make the story worthwhile on their own. But as you said, any true control and development would take Mack years if she develops at her current rate. Which would mean it’s never likely to be written given this series pacing. </p>
<p>All we can really hope for from Mack is instant reactions to immediate threats, which may cause her to reach out of her repressed state. And given the amount of opposition Mack faces already (mermaids, Mack daddy, Mercy etc) I’m sure further opportunities for &#8216;my description of interesting&#8217; lie ahead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 457: Fishy Propositions by erianaiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>erianaiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then half a dozen priests, backed up by a paladin (or simply the feds), swoop in, cut off Mackenzie&#039;s head with a blessed sword and the rest of the story is really really uninteresting from that point on.
I can live with a story that is occasionally slow paced over one that has all the thrills of a child kicking down the tower of stacked blocks that he has spent the last hour laboriously building. It might make a satisfying crash, but it is irrevocably destroyed all the same.
Within the context of this story, at this point, the drama is only going to come from Mackenzie trying to manage something resembling a social life for the first time since she came to live with her grandmother. It will take years, even if she miraculously understands the need within the next few days (she is only trying because of her promise to Amaranth and Coach Callahan), to learn to fight adequately against a moderately skilled opponent who has trained to slay demons. It will take centuries for her to learn to handle herselfs against groups of highly trained demon slayers. It will also take centuries for her to earn a position to economically and socially powerful that she will not be lightly assaulted. And I can not see what could drive Mackenzie to learn how to shatter blessings the way Coach Callahan can. For all that the faith is inimical to her, she is a rather devout Khersian in her heart still (even if unable to practice). If she is serious about her self defense lessons Mackenzie might learn enough in the next few years to escape an angry mob armed with (blessed) pitchforks rather than being overwhelmed by them. But until then any attempt to make the story more &#039;interesting&#039; in the way you describe will either have serious impact on consistency of the world building, or steer the story into dangerous munchkinism territories.
Yes, it would be nice if Mackenzie were less of a pushover, but being mentally and physically abused for the last 9 years is going to leave a mark on her for a long time to come, and will never be completely undone.

Eri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then half a dozen priests, backed up by a paladin (or simply the feds), swoop in, cut off Mackenzie&#8217;s head with a blessed sword and the rest of the story is really really uninteresting from that point on.<br />
I can live with a story that is occasionally slow paced over one that has all the thrills of a child kicking down the tower of stacked blocks that he has spent the last hour laboriously building. It might make a satisfying crash, but it is irrevocably destroyed all the same.<br />
Within the context of this story, at this point, the drama is only going to come from Mackenzie trying to manage something resembling a social life for the first time since she came to live with her grandmother. It will take years, even if she miraculously understands the need within the next few days (she is only trying because of her promise to Amaranth and Coach Callahan), to learn to fight adequately against a moderately skilled opponent who has trained to slay demons. It will take centuries for her to learn to handle herselfs against groups of highly trained demon slayers. It will also take centuries for her to earn a position to economically and socially powerful that she will not be lightly assaulted. And I can not see what could drive Mackenzie to learn how to shatter blessings the way Coach Callahan can. For all that the faith is inimical to her, she is a rather devout Khersian in her heart still (even if unable to practice). If she is serious about her self defense lessons Mackenzie might learn enough in the next few years to escape an angry mob armed with (blessed) pitchforks rather than being overwhelmed by them. But until then any attempt to make the story more &#8216;interesting&#8217; in the way you describe will either have serious impact on consistency of the world building, or steer the story into dangerous munchkinism territories.<br />
Yes, it would be nice if Mackenzie were less of a pushover, but being mentally and physically abused for the last 9 years is going to leave a mark on her for a long time to come, and will never be completely undone.</p>
<p>Eri</p>
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